
A post I received from Anon suggested that I was not a medical doctor and was not trained to make a diagnosis of autism. I have never pretended to be a medical doctor or a psychologist; my biography can be found here. I hold a PhD in molecular biology, have gained experience through 12 years of research at Strasbourg, Oxford, Princeton and Edinburgh Universities, in the areas of genetic, molecular biology including virology, brain development, brain ischemia, apoptosis, and epilepsy. This was followed by a total focus on autism following my son’s diagnosis in 2001. I then trained to educate children with autism (receiving some training in ABA, VB, Son-Rise) and currently reading for a Master in Special Education/ Autism children at Birmingham University. I trained in biomedical interventions and work with several medical doctors who have knowledge of treating the medical issues seen in autism. I also trained to make autism diagnosis assessment using the ADOS (Autism Diagnosis Observation Schedule). I am principal scientist at a Trust based in Edinburgh and this gave me the opportunity to meet over 400 individuals with autism, children and adults. I have also traveled to Egypt, Turkey, Greece to meet people and families with autism. My training and personal position have given me the experience, knowledge and most of all a unique perspective on the many issues seen today in autism.
My concerns regarding the validity of Donna William’s diagnosis started when I met her in Edinburgh last year. There were many inconsistencies in her presentation that made her very unusual in her presentation. I was constantly puzzled by something I could not define clearly at the time. People with autism I have met do not have the level of expression, understanding and awareness Donna presented with. Yet, she presented with behaviours that were profoundly more autistic in nature, it felt very text-book, cliché and somehow organized. Also, I have not yet met anyone with autism with such high desire to constantly seek attention and appears so eager to be in the spot light and a subject of absolute interest. Most people with autism I have met acts much more independently of what others do or think and because of their autism, they prefer to be amongst the unknown rather than in the lime light.
I have since read the abc report of 1996, which not only included reports from Dr. Bartak’s diagnosis of Donna but also the views of others, Professor Fred Volkmar of Yale University, Dr Kathleen Dillon, Professor of Psychology at Western New England College, Geoff Lyons, a fellow student of Donna's in her final year, Chris Eipper who lectured Donna in several Sociology courses, Lucinda Aberdeen who was Donna's tutor in 1985 and Marcia Devlin, a fellow student of Donna's in 1991.
In this report which can be read in full here, I see that Dr. Bartak suggested that Donna had managed in her University studies by rote learning (as people with autism tend to do). Having heard Donna and a few adults with autism give a lecture, I can guaranty there is not a single bit of her presentation that is rote learning. Rose Blackburn, who is an adult with autism, lectures by rote learning. Her presentations are fundamentally different from that of Donna. I had the opportunity to meet her twice presenting a talk 6 month apart. I came to the second lecture because I had enjoyed the first, but most of all because I wanted to know how similar the second would be to the first one I had heard. There was not one difference I could spot. Even the jokes that appeared to be very spontaneous were placed in exactly the same way at exactly the same points of her presentation. This is what rote learning is. Donna does not seem to have even 1% of that form of learning.
We should appreciate that to do an accurate diagnosis of autism does take a lot of work and a lot of investigations, taking into account not just the current presentation of the person but also the reports of family members and others who have known the person. If I wanted today I could get a diagnosis of autism for myself, I have no doubt this could be done. I know exactly what it takes to get it, how I should act and which information I should provide. Actually, I might even try to get one, just for the fun of the exercise.
I note another interesting point in the abc report regarding what Dr Kathleen Dillon said:
“I'm not sure how exactly I would classify her. I've thought about it, I've come up with possibly ten different kinds of disorders. The one that seems that I would chuck out I think if I was meeting her and trying to get some sense of who she was, was to think that maybe she has a borderline personality disorder, which is sometimes related to abuse. She certainly has had abuse, and she may have even experienced physical trauma to the brain from the abuse, and that could be the cause of her problem.”
But most of all, what appears to me as being the most revealing information is what her fellow students reported after Donna had officially announced diagnosis of autism:
"Because the change was so dramatic. And it seemed so acted. She seemed like she was making a point all the time of everyone knowing at every moment that she was autistic."
Surely when someone presents as very social in University setting, very able intellectually and suddenly acts or present differently, there is something happening and this must be taken into account to balance the original diagnosis. This pattern of evolution of behaviours does not fit to autism.
The opinion I express here arises from the analysis made from a range of information regarding autism, how it is diagnosed, how people with autism present, how Donna presents and the reports made by others of her behaviour in University years and after her diagnosis of autism. This opinion does not stand as diagnosis and clearly Donna has a diagnosis of some kind. It stands as a form of analysis nothing else. I am entitled to express this analyis as others have in the abc report and on the Internet. My professional training and experience of autism puts me in a suitable position to present such analysis.
If Donna is truly autistic, she should so concerned about what people say about her diagnosis, how could she possibly care? People with autism tend not to focus in such obsessive way on their public image. If there is something else at stake, then she will care. And this is exactly what we see here.
My concerns regarding the validity of Donna William’s diagnosis started when I met her in Edinburgh last year. There were many inconsistencies in her presentation that made her very unusual in her presentation. I was constantly puzzled by something I could not define clearly at the time. People with autism I have met do not have the level of expression, understanding and awareness Donna presented with. Yet, she presented with behaviours that were profoundly more autistic in nature, it felt very text-book, cliché and somehow organized. Also, I have not yet met anyone with autism with such high desire to constantly seek attention and appears so eager to be in the spot light and a subject of absolute interest. Most people with autism I have met acts much more independently of what others do or think and because of their autism, they prefer to be amongst the unknown rather than in the lime light.
I have since read the abc report of 1996, which not only included reports from Dr. Bartak’s diagnosis of Donna but also the views of others, Professor Fred Volkmar of Yale University, Dr Kathleen Dillon, Professor of Psychology at Western New England College, Geoff Lyons, a fellow student of Donna's in her final year, Chris Eipper who lectured Donna in several Sociology courses, Lucinda Aberdeen who was Donna's tutor in 1985 and Marcia Devlin, a fellow student of Donna's in 1991.
In this report which can be read in full here, I see that Dr. Bartak suggested that Donna had managed in her University studies by rote learning (as people with autism tend to do). Having heard Donna and a few adults with autism give a lecture, I can guaranty there is not a single bit of her presentation that is rote learning. Rose Blackburn, who is an adult with autism, lectures by rote learning. Her presentations are fundamentally different from that of Donna. I had the opportunity to meet her twice presenting a talk 6 month apart. I came to the second lecture because I had enjoyed the first, but most of all because I wanted to know how similar the second would be to the first one I had heard. There was not one difference I could spot. Even the jokes that appeared to be very spontaneous were placed in exactly the same way at exactly the same points of her presentation. This is what rote learning is. Donna does not seem to have even 1% of that form of learning.
We should appreciate that to do an accurate diagnosis of autism does take a lot of work and a lot of investigations, taking into account not just the current presentation of the person but also the reports of family members and others who have known the person. If I wanted today I could get a diagnosis of autism for myself, I have no doubt this could be done. I know exactly what it takes to get it, how I should act and which information I should provide. Actually, I might even try to get one, just for the fun of the exercise.
I note another interesting point in the abc report regarding what Dr Kathleen Dillon said:
“I'm not sure how exactly I would classify her. I've thought about it, I've come up with possibly ten different kinds of disorders. The one that seems that I would chuck out I think if I was meeting her and trying to get some sense of who she was, was to think that maybe she has a borderline personality disorder, which is sometimes related to abuse. She certainly has had abuse, and she may have even experienced physical trauma to the brain from the abuse, and that could be the cause of her problem.”
But most of all, what appears to me as being the most revealing information is what her fellow students reported after Donna had officially announced diagnosis of autism:
"Because the change was so dramatic. And it seemed so acted. She seemed like she was making a point all the time of everyone knowing at every moment that she was autistic."
Surely when someone presents as very social in University setting, very able intellectually and suddenly acts or present differently, there is something happening and this must be taken into account to balance the original diagnosis. This pattern of evolution of behaviours does not fit to autism.
The opinion I express here arises from the analysis made from a range of information regarding autism, how it is diagnosed, how people with autism present, how Donna presents and the reports made by others of her behaviour in University years and after her diagnosis of autism. This opinion does not stand as diagnosis and clearly Donna has a diagnosis of some kind. It stands as a form of analysis nothing else. I am entitled to express this analyis as others have in the abc report and on the Internet. My professional training and experience of autism puts me in a suitable position to present such analysis.
If Donna is truly autistic, she should so concerned about what people say about her diagnosis, how could she possibly care? People with autism tend not to focus in such obsessive way on their public image. If there is something else at stake, then she will care. And this is exactly what we see here.

You're just as qualified as an MD or psychologist to diagnoise autism. Many MD's and psychologists no nothing about autism because they do not specialize in it so the excuse that you are not an MD or psychologist is ridiculous.
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Just to briefly reiterate, I am not making any diagnosis of Donna Williams, I am expressing some reservation regarding her diagnosis of autism in the light of a series of information discussed in the post (and others). Thanks to Anon for additional information on this diagnosis issue. I believe my training enables me to do such analysis and that I can express my concerns publicly.
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The Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines, Revised (DIB-R) [ Gunderson/Kolb 1989]
ReplyDeleteThis common clinical test looks for these four clusters of symptoms:
1. Affect (subjective feelings)
Chronic/major depression, helplessness, hopelessness, worthlessness, guilt, anger (including frequent expressions of anger), anxiety, loneliness, boredom, emptiness
2. Cognition (intellectual reasoning)
Odd thinking, unusual perceptions, nondelusional paranoia, quasipsychosis
3. Impulsivity (behavioral) Substance abuse/dependence, sexual deviance, manipulative suicide gestures, other impulsive behaviors
4. Interpersonal relationships Intolerance of aloneness, abandonment, engulfment, annihilation fears, counterdependency, stormy relationships, manipulativeness, dependency, devaluation, masochism/sadism, demandingness, entitlement
I've always been suspicious of autistics such as Donna Williams, Amanda Baggs, etc. I was even suspicious of Temple Grandin.
ReplyDeleteI have these suspicions because the amount of fame they have seems to contradict autism itself.
I am now pretty certain Temple Grandin has autism but am not so sure about the others.
Exploring this topic further would prove to be interesting, I think.
Perhaps it will show us the variety in autism.
Or perhaps it will show us fraud.
It will be quite interesting.
This is the most intelligent article I have read about Donna since 1991, SM69. You could not be more right (and Anonymous is spot on as well). Perhaps one day she will get the treatment she needs and spare us all to attention seeking and legal threats (sigh). I am a psychologist, I have a PhD and I know her and you are completely correct. Keep talking. The parents of autistic children need to hear you. Thank you for your contribution.
ReplyDelete"People with autism do not really care about what others think of them"
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe someone as supposedly highly educated as yourself can make a statement like this.
Debate is futile in the face of such ignorance.
Are you trying to sell something?
Hi Socrates
ReplyDeleteI take your point; taken out of context this statement sounds awful and wrong. So I have amended it in order to reduce the offense whilst keeping the meaning of my point! Thanks for flagging this.
Donna Williams does not seem autistic to me either. She, according to author Charles Hart, who has an autistic son and brother, agreed in his book. Likewise, so do many others who think Donna Williams is far from an authentic autism diagnosis. Even Temple Grandin, as HF is she is and appears to be Severe Aspergers, is more authentic case of autism than Williams. Temple is the type of person who will walk away in the middle of a conversation and has a monotone pitch to her voice that reveal she is dealign with severe social, communication and relationship issues, whereas Willams, clearly is not. She's quite smart, though. She, like Amanda Baggs, has learned enough about autism to feign autism. Wake up folks. And for you that claims to be HF autistics than slam others who disagree with you in the most eloquent and malicious ways, this is more than evidence to show you are NOT autistic. Get over it. See a shrink.
ReplyDeleteI love this comment by anonymous. I stood behind Donna Williams at Melbourne airport late in 2009 and watched her for 20-25 minutes. It was fascinating. We were in the arrivals hall waiting for an international flight to come in - me with my children, waiting for my husband, she alone, waiting for I don't know who. It was quite crowded and people were standing very close to each other. Yet Donna seemed at ease (she used to pretend that she was traumatised by being touched). The lights were bright and flourescent yet, despite not wearing dark glasses, Donna appeared comfortable and relaxed (she used to pretend that the lights 'hurt' her eyes and she would shade her eyes dramatically to show everyone how sensitive she was). It was noisy, yet again, no problem for Donna (she used to pretend to be sensitive to sound). I took a couple of photos of her so I have evidence of her there in the middle of the crowd, totally relaxed. She fiddled with her handbag and stood, like the rest of us, watching the door open and close as each new passenger passed through customs and entered the hall. She looked old and tired, much older than her mid-forties age. I used to really dislike her becasue of all her deceipt and pretence and her constant, obsessive need to fool the world and convince everyone she was autistic. But after watching her stand there alone for all that time, I thought how sad and lonely her life must be and actually began to feel sorry for her. I just wish she'd stop giving parents of autistic childre false hope. Oh, and issue a statement saying "I fooled the world and I'm really sorry for the damage I've casued". She's not autistic, she's a con-woman. But I think she's running out of steam. VR65 again
ReplyDeleteWow! I am impressed by this account! Any photo to share?
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't know about Donna Williams, Amanda Baggs is a definite fake. She claims to require facilitated communication, yet can type at a rate of knots, as well as first displaying symptoms in her teens. I am Autistic and am different, not special.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting article. I am suspicious of Donna - she is very articulate, even though appears eccentric (I have read her blogs and watched some videos). Do you think she has a personality disorder as a result of an abusive background? She might get away with being mildly Asperger's, but autistic? Temple Grandin comes across as strongly Asperger's in videos I watched. People with autistic children find it irritating when people say, "look at Temple Grandin" as though she is a typical example
ReplyDeleteAmanda Baggs is most certainly a fraud, as is Donna Williams. The question is, The motives of the patient can vary: for a patient with factitious disorder, the primary aim is to obtain sympathy, nurturance, and attention accompanying the sick role.[2] This is in contrast to malingering, in which the patient wishes to obtain external gains such as disability payments or to avoid an unpleasant situation, such as military duty. Factitious disorder and malingering cannot be diagnosed in the same patient, and the diagnosis of factitious disorder depends on the absence of any other psychiatric disorder. KGaccount (kgilbert?) video on youtube (forgot name of it) has done wonders at exposing some of the more "questionable" cases of autism. She makes a good case. Such a good case that those who are afraid of what she exposes have gone to great efforts to intimidate and harass her. How autistic of them.
ReplyDeleteNo matter how you label it these people have an unusual outlook on life. They may or may not have autism - even the experts cannot say exactly what that is - a range of symptoms complete with a full variety of co-morbid conditions. Other conditions can also lead to some autistic tendencys, we are not yet smart enough to define them all precisely. Maybe in the coming years diagnosis will be that clear. I felt stupid and perhaps embarrased to think I could have been fooled by some fake video, but in the end that does not matter. What is important is that these people have given me some insight in to the ways that other people can be different to me and problems they could face. They remind me that life and relationships are often better when I accept people as they are and learn how to live with them rather than demanding they change to fit in with me.
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ReplyDeletevery nicely said- very touching.
I have been aware of Donna for a long time as she married one of my friends. I'm not going to go into it here on a public forum, but have recently been very upset by a nasty, vicious and cruel email she sent me after I sent a one-line message wishing her well with her cancer treatment. Have any of you seen/experienced this side of Donna? It was good to find your page
ReplyDeleteAngharad, I haven't seen Donna been vicious and cruel, but I've seen her act in ways that weren't Autistic at all, or at least extremely inconsistent with whatever she writes about in her blog posts and books.
ReplyDeleteI honestly don't think she has Autism coz I can tell by her writing isn't in an Autistic style, as is her way of speaking when I bumped into her in person. I have Asperger Syndrome, and while it's true that many ASD adults improve in knowledge and abilities later on, how Donna sounded and what she claimed she sees and can't do was extremely inconsistent.
Most ASD adults would use their strengths to compensate for their weaknesses. Given that Donna has the ability to write so many books and "emotionally moving" content, she would've used that ability to figure out compensatory methods to do simple things around her home, despite her claimed "dyspraxia" (even though she also claimed her brain scans were all normal).
It really disgusts me that she is exploiting a sensitive label. I don't like how she gives such a suspicious and skeptical-inducing image and history, when there are other REAL auties and Aspies who have to put in so much cognitive effort to coherently express themselves in speech and writing.
The sad thing is that even if I were to confront her about being inconsistent or a potential fraud, she'd probably accuse me as being a heartless bully, picking on a vulnerable individual with cancer.
I wish the best for her recovery from her cancer, but that still doesn't excuse her for what she's done in the past.
Yes, that's so true. It upsets me as I'm married to someone with Asperger syndrome and have done training courses to help parents of child on the autism spectrum use the law to get better services for their children. She seems to threaten legal action against anyone who criticises her, and she always has to be the centre of attention, setting all the 'rules of being with Donna'. I agree- she is classic DID/borderline personality disorder, but not an autie, and when she argued that no-one could doubt her diagnosis without meeting her, that of course would mean that she could 'perform autistic' if she needed to at that time. It's far more telling that people who meet her 'off guard' doubt her diagnosis.
ReplyDeleteAngharad, now that I think about it, I should've tried to catch her "off guard" when I spoke to her, but my Aspie "bluntness" at the time stopped that from occurring.
ReplyDeleteThe argument from Donna is that Auties can have DID as well from heavy (childhood) abuse etc.
While I agree that it's possible for somebody to have other comorbid conditions with ASDs (most especially Anxiety and Depression, and perhaps ADHD), the presentation of her adult "Low Functioning Autism" is deeply questionable, and I was surprised that Dr. Lawrie Bartak diagnosed her with it at the time.
I find it very hard to believe that one could still be unable to do certain activities (eg filling a bathtub with water) at home after 15 years, while being able to walk and talk and have the executive functioning and cognition to type extensive autobiographies and other Autism-related publications, make paintings, sing and act in plays. I am confident in saying that she is faking it because she tries to perpetuate her "Autistic" difficulties, when in reality the difficulties that she claims would improve over years for ASD adults with her level of functioning. I consider it to be a mockery of the difficulties that ASD adults go through.
Also there is actually a lot of medically-incorrect information in her Autism-related publications, but she can't get penalized because it's a book, and not a scientific paper. But this is another matter that I can discuss next time.
I was extremely angry that she has capitalized on her "Autism" which probably isn't even there (even though she got the official diagnosis, which I suspect that she faked to get), and I initially wished for her to be punished, but that would stoop me down to a lower level in terms of ethics.
I really wish she would apologize to everyone in the future about her lies and facade, but I don't think she ever will.
I want to confront Donna about her questionable presentations and also inaccuracies in her books, but I'm really busy with Uni studies...
I would like to know more about your communication with Donna, are you able to contact me at kennylee AT hotmail DOT com?
thanks.
My mistake (typo), are you able to contact me at
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